Why Tejas MkII Matters for India's AMCA Development

Why Tejas MkII Matters for India's AMCA Development


India's pursuit of a homegrown, technologically superior fifth-generation fighter aircraft received a significant push with the recent Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) approval for the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) development program.

While the AMCA represents a leap in India's aerospace capabilities, its success heavily hinges on the less glamorous but equally crucial Tejas MkII program. The MkII acts as both a technological stepping stone and an essential "feeder" system, paving the path toward the AMCA's realization.

Beyond an Upgrade: The MkII as a Testbed​

The Tejas MkII isn't just an upgraded version of the existing Tejas fighter; it's a critical incubator for the advanced technologies that will define the AMCA.

By testing and refining these systems on the MkII, India significantly reduces the risks associated with integrating them directly into the more complex AMCA program. This approach accelerates development timelines and enhances the AMCA's chances of success.

Shared DNA: Line Replaceable Units​

One critical aspect of the technological bridge between the Tejas MkII and AMCA is their extensive use of shared Line Replaceable Units (LRUs). These modular components form the core of an aircraft's various systems.

Sharing LRUs streamlines the AMCA's development, reduces costs, and ensures a smoother technological transition between the two aircraft.

Cutting-Edge Tech: What the MkII Brings to the Table​

The Tejas MkII will be a flying laboratory for several technologies intended for the AMCA. Here's a look at some of the key advancements:
  • Wide Area Display (WAD): A panoramic cockpit display offering pilots unprecedented situational awareness.
  • Sensor Fusion: The integration of data from multiple sensors for a comprehensive battlefield overview.
  • Side-stick Controller: Improved ergonomics for pilot comfort and precision control during maneuvers.
  • Electronic Pilot: An AI-assisted system to aid pilots in flight control and decision-making.
  • Digital Flight Control Computer (DFCC): Advanced computer systems ensuring stable, accurate flight control.
  • Weapons Management Computer: Precision management and deployment of the AMCA's diverse weapon systems.
  • Auxiliary Computer: Additional processing power for complex onboard calculations.
  • Unified Video and Data Recorder: Capture of vital flight information for analysis and improvement.

Beyond Components: Cockpit and Radar​

In addition to specific LRUs, the MkII's "Smart Cockpit" – with advanced displays and human-machine interface (HMI) – will provide a blueprint for the AMCA's interface.

The improved Uttam AESA radar, based on Tejas Mk1A's radar and further enhanced with Gallium Nitride (GaN) technology, directly contributes to the AMCA's powerful sensor suite.

Conclusion​

The Tejas MkII is far more than just a stepping stone towards India's fifth-generation fighter ambitions; it's a critical proving ground for essential technologies.

The successful integration and testing of these systems on the MkII will not only reduce risk for the AMCA but will also provide invaluable data and experience for India's aerospace engineers.

This methodical approach is a testament to India's determination to develop a truly indigenous and cutting-edge fighter aircraft program.
 
So Su-30 MKI may have GaA AESA Radar , while AMCA is going to have GaN based AESA Radar., so Most of the Tech and weapons will b developed while Flight Testing Tejas MK2 so AMCA MK1 can Meet Time line . Crucial thing will b Developing Aero-Engine for AMCA MK2 with 110kN to 120kN before 2034. .
 
Before 2024? Seems to be some error there.
2034 Foreign partner for AMCA Engine may b selected after Election so within 10 years Engine has to Ready to Integrate in AMCA MK2 Initial batches of AMCAMK1 May have GE-414 98kN Engine.
 
I think we should shelve the TEDBF project so as to concentrate only on TejasMk2 & AMCA and develop deck based AMCA later as a supplementary development since the requirement for deck based fighters will not be substantial.
 
Tejas Mk2 development should be done on war footing ,now that it got the fund.
 
Another #AisaHoingaWaisaHoinga 2.0 Absolutely no one in India has any idea on this. I was completely aloof of this. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

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I think we should shelve the TEDBF project so as to concentrate only on TejasMk2 & AMCA and develop deck based AMCA later as a supplementary development since the requirement for deck based fighters will not be substantial.
We need to have jets for our carriers, without jets, carriers are basically super expensive targets
 
The subsystems are more or less same for tedbf, amca and tedbf. The only major difference are in design. Amca has stealthy design with internal weapons bay, tedbf has foldable wings, both have twin engines, otherwise they are same to tejas mk2 when it comes to performance, payload etc.
 
Tejas mkII is supposed to be more aerodynamic and stealthier then Tejas mk1a. Tejas mk2 was envisioned as semi-stealth plane capable of super cruise. Tejas mk2 finial capabilities will be awaited. Nice they have sensor fusion, hopefully they will have AI targeting too on Tejas mk2.
 
Key to Tejas-Mk2, AMCA-Mk-1, and Mk-2 long term will be the high thrust domestic engine (120-130KN) being developed with safran...If the JV can start producing this engine (post testing and certification) before 2035, then all AMCA's (especially Mk-2s) can have this engine and thus supercruise and the cooling to increase full spectrum stealth...India should also start thinking about 6th gen (at least start a project to plan) either by joining the GCAP (UK+Japan+Italy) or launch one domestically (formally by 2030) so we can field a fighter in the 2040-2045 timeframe, buth key again will be variable cycle engines (like the ones for NGAD) with high thrusts of 200KN...Long term Defense-Industrial roadmap, while transforming R&D via DRDO, Labs, private players and an innovation ecosystem is vital.
 
Key to Tejas-Mk2, AMCA-Mk-1, and Mk-2 long term will be the high thrust domestic engine (120-130KN) being developed with safran...If the JV can start producing this engine (post testing and certification) before 2035, then all AMCA's (especially Mk-2s) can have this engine and thus supercruise and the cooling to increase full spectrum stealth...India should also start thinking about 6th gen (at least start a project to plan) either by joining the GCAP (UK+Japan+Italy) or launch one domestically (formally by 2030) so we can field a fighter in the 2040-2045 timeframe, buth key again will be variable cycle engines (like the ones for NGAD) with high thrusts of 200KN...Long term Defense-Industrial roadmap, while transforming R&D via DRDO, Labs, private players and an innovation ecosystem is vital.
amca mk-2 will already be a 6th gen fighter. There is really no clarity on difference between 5th gen and 6th gen. Most experts agree that the difference is basically a quantitative one rather than a qualitative one. Basically- better stealth, better avionics, computing power, load carring capacity, range etc.
 
So Su-30 MKI may have GaA AESA Radar , while AMCA is going to have GaN based AESA Radar., so Most of the Tech and weapons will b developed while Flight Testing Tejas MK2 so AMCA MK1 can Meet Time line . Crucial thing will b Developing Aero-Engine for AMCA MK2 with 110kN to 120kN before 2034. .
In 20 years when AMCA prototype will be made, LRDE will develop GaN radar, it is absolutely true, anything made for Tejas MK1A, MK2 and TEDBF/ORCA will be used in AMCA, hope and pray that MK2 and TEDBF/ORCA are made fast relevant to the time, otherwise GOI will be making AMCA when the the whole world will be flying 7th or 8th gen Aircraft.
 
Key to Tejas-Mk2, AMCA-Mk-1, and Mk-2 long term will be the high thrust domestic engine (120-130KN) being developed with safran...If the JV can start producing this engine (post testing and certification) before 2035, then all AMCA's (especially Mk-2s) can have this engine and thus supercruise and the cooling to increase full spectrum stealth...India should also start thinking about 6th gen (at least start a project to plan) either by joining the GCAP (UK+Japan+Italy) or launch one domestically (formally by 2030) so we can field a fighter in the 2040-2045 timeframe, buth key again will be variable cycle engines (like the ones for NGAD) with high thrusts of 200KN...Long term Defense-Industrial roadmap, while transforming R&D via DRDO, Labs, private players and an innovation ecosystem is vital.
My thinking if they can fix the su-30mki engine then the same people can develop an better engine. Just learn to award talent, and drop hand holding.
 
In 20 years when AMCA prototype will be made, LRDE will develop GaN radar, it is absolutely true, anything made for Tejas MK1A, MK2 and TEDBF/ORCA will be used in AMCA, hope and pray that MK2 and TEDBF/ORCA are made fast relevant to the time, otherwise GOI will be making AMCA when the the whole world will be flying 7th or 8th gen Aircraft.
Well once you have to develop the niche technology without the support you really can't just predict the exact timeline,
Amca project according to news kick start almost 1.5 decade ago but true reality is Amca was just an copy version of FGFA. Sudden IAF decide it is not satisfied with the FGFA program so without any further tech it just turn within & as I believe Tejas program helped a lot to build the confidence that we can achieve it. In this means time we didn't even get the technologies from the MRFA(no one knows when this deal will be concluded) so developing things take time, I just hope that around 2030 we will se Tejas mk2 & Amca prototype flying it will be too good if three prototype flying in the air with tedbf. It's not going to be an easy journey but showing frustration & saying bad things will not make it better.
 
2034 Foreign partner for AMCA Engine may b selected after Election so within 10 years Engine has to Ready to Integrate in AMCA MK2 Initial batches of AMCAMK1 May have GE-414 98kN Engine.
GE-414 98kN Engine is not capable to power AMCA MK1; need at least 100kN engine for MK1.
 
With jets also they are super expensive targets. All one needs is a missile to sink an AC.
an AC surrounded by a battlegroup, consisting of multiple destroyers, frigates, ASW corvettes, awacs helicopters, submarines. And it is always moving at a pretty good speed. Dude, good luck if you think you can sink a 50,000 ton AC in between all of that, using 1 missile. If that missile is a brahmastra or something sudarshan chakra, then maybe it will be possible.
 

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