South Korea and Turkey Make Strides in 5th Generation Fighter Jets Development, India's AMCA Program Lags

[RonitBisht]

• South Korea and Turkey have achieved significant milestones in their 5th generation fighter jet programs, KF-21 and TF-X.
• These programs have received national priority status, enabling faster development and overcoming bureaucratic hurdles.
• India's AMCA program, despite its need for advanced fighter aircraft, appears to be lagging behind.
• The program is hampered by unclear timelines, indecision about key aspects like engine development and private sector participation.
• The lead agencies, DRDO and ADA, are unable to provide concrete milestones, raising doubts about the program's readiness for mass production by 2035.
• India's AMCA program has the potential to be a game-changer, but its current trajectory is worrisome.
• Addressing the program's key challenges can help India achieve its goal of developing a cutting-edge 5th generation fighter jet.

 

[Mithu Roy]

First learn to make a proper single engine 4.5 generation fighter in Tejas mark 2 then,make a twin engine fighter better than rafale after that dream of 5 th generation fighter

 

[NSR]

India should have given green light to Tejas Mk 2 and AMCA right after Tejas IA FOC because India signed contract for 99 GE F-414INS6 engines about a decade ago with about 50-60% TOT.
GE even shipped 10+ shipsets of F-414 engines.

Instead India sat on its A R S E and did no development work at all.
Foolish decisions will come haunting it.

I am sure India will be happy throw away $30 to 40 billions on Rafale and Rafale-M fighters saying that they are 6th generation fighters and will save India.

Land of wonders !!!

 

[bonito]

National priority programs. That's how you get to do.

 

[BnglrTester]

Indians are foolish people who cannot startegise, plan or manage. No wonder we were under foreign occupation for close to 1000 years. Most of the masses are corrupt and brainwashed. The system needs a drastic shock therapy. Either a disastrous defeat in a war, or an authoritative takeover forcing change and stopping of chaotic democracy would help.

 

[Kailash]

I am sure India will be happy throw away $30 to 40 billions on Rafale and Rafale-M fighters saying that they are 6th generation fighters and will save India.

Very true.

Most countries cant afford stealth, so instead they started upgrading the active and passive sensors, use multi-band radars, networking them and finding ways of detecting stealth cheap. I think with the available AD cover given by S300/S400s and the Rafale I don't think Chinese 5th gen fighters are a great concern. You can call the IAF/MoD as stingy bean counters, or slow, or not proactively enough, but they are not dumb. The minimum idea of self defense and self preservation is very much their forte...

Besides, how relevant a 5th Gen fighter will be against a highly networked Pak or Chin is the million dollar question...

 

[INDIAN]

Current government is also doing the same mistake, funding issues, no clear cut direction, similar nations like South Korea , Turkey is marching ahead , and here we are just talking and talking.

They day news will come that Pakistan has acquired Fifth generation fighters from China or Turkey, then we will run like jokers all over the world for imports.

Buck lies on the door of PMO , PMO should directly monitor the progress of these strategic system.

 

[Satya Dev]

Meanwhile for HAL babus it's business as usual - no urgency - 9am to 5pm interspersed with breaks - tea 9.30am - coffee 11am - lunch 12.30 to 1.30pm - noon tea 2.30pm - noon coffee 4pm!

 

[Aayush Dhaundiyal]

It ia difficult to comprehend a point of time where mk1a, II and Amca all will on production line simultaneously when HAL is struggling to extend the rate of 1A only.

 

[MANIVANNAN N]

National importance? What is that? We are happy with upgrading Tejas to mk2. We will put huge fund in mk2 and enjoy by cheating government.

 

[venkat]

Zero confidence in drdo or the govt to do what is right

 

[nakul1307]

Give Defence portfolio to Gadkari next time. He gets things done.

 

[MANIVANNAN N]

The fund used on mk2 actually enough for amca development. The drdo expanded mk2 project and wasting money in single engine fighter. No stradegic importance in this fighter. Easy improvements and success rate high so aiming that. Ignoring amca and putting iaf in dangerous condition. Ignoring challenges also just happy with. 4th gen fighter. No goovt. Fault. All game by drdo and hal.

 

[War is good for business]

Meanwhile for HAL babus it's business as usual - no urgency - 9am to 5pm interspersed with breaks - tea 9.30am - coffee 11am - lunch 12.30 to 1.30pm - noon tea 2.30pm - noon coffee 4pm!

Until one realizes that it is the same for every single organization that ever existed.

 

[Kira]

These two countries had actual experience with real 5th Gen fighter program like the F-35,as they were partner nations from early on,so had a pretty good idea what technologies were required and how to integrate and produce them.

India on the other hand does not know anything about actual 5th Gen program given very limited interaction with the Su-57,which itself is not wholly 5th Gen in its truest sense, besides HAL has no experience with managing and producing a complex stealth jet given that it even struggles to put together a simple light 4th gen jet like Tejas.

That is why I am always advocating for a handful squadrons of F-35s,so to gain some first hand experience with 5th Gen jets from limited technical know-how to actual maintenance and operations.

 

[Superpower Bharat]

First learn to make a proper single engine 4.5 generation fighter in Tejas mark 2 then,make a twin engine fighter better than rafale after that dream of 5 th generation fighter

Did turkey have that experience...???

 

[Superpower Bharat]

The fund used on mk2 actually enough for amca development. The drdo expanded mk2 project and wasting money in single engine fighter. No stradegic importance in this fighter. Easy improvements and success rate high so aiming that. Ignoring amca and putting iaf in dangerous condition. Ignoring challenges also just happy with. 4th gen fighter. No goovt. Fault. All game by drdo and hal.

Really., did u know what amount spend on J-20 or KA-50... Or in su-57.. first get the knowledge

 

[Ranjeet Singh]

Better we ink deal to make India specific F-35s or Su-57 here in India under MRFA it will help ADA/HAL to reduce gestation period of AMCA !

 

[Sunny]

Though we probably lack the technical knowhow to develop fighter aircrafts on our own the main issue is indecision by the government no matter which party is in power. Without timely backing and will almost all our defense programs are delayed.

 

[Frank]

First learn to make a proper single engine 4.5 generation fighter in Tejas mark 2 then,make a twin engine fighter better than rafale after that dream of 5 th generation fighter

changing DRDO to DARPA wont change anything

THE DRDO IS NOT THE PROBLEM...THE LOW IQ ENGINEERS FROM 3RD TIER ENGINEERING C0LLEGES WORKING IN DRDO GTRE ADE HAL ARE THE PROBLEM...

JUST HIRE HIGH IQ B TECH STUDENTS FROM IIT. NOT M TECH NOT PHD ONLY B TECH.

OR JUST TOP 500 RANKERS OF JEE ADVANCED. THEY WILL GIVE YOU JET ENGINE IN 4/5 YEARS.

Current situation is both DRDO and private companies hire only engineer from 3rd tier engineering colleges, hence no results

Also does not Matter it's DRDO or private company, until they hire high IQ B Tech students from IIT.. Nothing will change.

Main reason of DPSU failure

1. Not hiring top high IQ people from IIT
2. No accountability

If DPSU hires top 500 rankers of Jee advanced, we will get jet engine, Submarines in less than 5 years

THATS THE ONLY SOLUTION THATS THE ONLY SOLUTIOn