GTRE Near Finalizing Foreign Partner for AMCA 110kN Engine Co-Development

India's ambitious Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program is moving closer to securing a crucial engine development partnership, a pivotal step in realizing the country's 5th-generation fighter jet ambitions.

Sources close to the program indicate that the DRDO's Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) is actively pursuing collaboration with a foreign engine manufacturer.

GTRE's goal is to finalize a partner by mid-2024, laying the groundwork for a contract to be signed later this year or early next. This partnership is essential for the development of a new 5th-generation engine capable of generating 110-130kN of thrust – a considerable power increase necessary for the AMCA MkII variant.

Industry leaders in engine manufacturing, including Rolls-Royce, Safran, and GE, are all potential contenders for this co-development project. The selected engine will power the AMCA MkII, which is slated for production after 2035.

To ensure timely progression in the initial stages of the AMCA program, the initial prototype and the first 40 AMCA MkI units will use the proven GE-F414 engine.

According to industry sources, the co-developed engine is expected to have a wide range of applications. Beyond the AMCA, it could potentially power the Indian Navy's TEDBF program (a carrier-based fighter jet) and even be incorporated into upgraded Tejas MkII jets during their Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) in the mid-2040s.

This development underscores India's determination to boost its indigenous defense capabilities and reduce reliance on foreign imports.

A successful engine partnership would mark a significant technological leap for the AMCA program and bolster India's position as a rising aerospace power.

 

[Pad UwU]

Could this be one made for Tempest through Japan.

Nope AFAIK GCAP Tempest engine participants are IHI Japan, Rolls Royce UK and Avio Aero Italy.... Japan and Italy's company are not in contact with DRDO GTRE procurement of JV partner... So we will not having a tech from Tempest.... Rolls Royce might offer a clean sheet design engine with open architecture for improvement of Kaveri or go all the way with the clean sheet design that is for India tailor made

 

[Pad UwU]

India has already made a deal with France and Safran to develop a brand new 5th generation jet engine to power the AMCA MK2. With this engine it will teach India on how to design and develop a advanced engine which gives us 100% of the technology, allow to make 100% of it in India and can freely sell to whoever without needing permission.

At the start India will use the GE F414 engine for the first 1-2 squadrons which will give enough time to develop the new engine with France easily.

If I remember correctly Safran deal is only for helicopter engine only not for jet fighter.... The Safran clean sheet design engine is not moving we don't have any updates from it.... We already have alf31f knowledge why can't government push more Russia to add rd33 to enhance our Kaveri engine.... We can also apply the know-how of the US GE engine that we have

 

[Pad UwU]

Also, consider an alternate plan. This is a bleeding edge tech, partner/vendor may throw surprises at the las moment.

Kakakakak we are already been surprise why the GoI take so long to find the right partner 😹😹😹

 

[Pad UwU]

Let me tell you, what we will get is 4th gen engine which is existing from 1980s, thats what we will get, and nobody will give us technology above that either of 5th gen or 6th gen no matter how much money we throw. We dont have our basics right in engine technology or testbed. Thats the gap we want to bridge and thats how much behind we are. Now america doesnt share these with anybody except probably Britain. They will armtwist at slightest hint of our opposition. France even if they offer less technologically engine with full ipr for money its better to deal with them.

LMAO AFAIK US didn't even share anything from it's Aero jet engine from UK.... US would rather buy license or the whole technology from you than sharing it😹😹😹

 

[Pad UwU]

India should go for GE. The french are not good when it comes to value for money. And India needs to strenghten partnership with america to counter China. Macron recently visited China and repeated Chinese talking points. Also, GE is developing adaptive cycle engines for NGAD, I know it is a long shot, but chances will be greater that India gets few scraps from that technology, in 15 years or so if India chooses america and GE.
Also 414 deal has very high level of ToT, which shows how keen americans are to deepen partnership with India.

Adaptive cycle engine is only reserve for US only, so don't get hype for it UK and France already studying it same goes for Japan.... Don't know if China and Russian are doing the same

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

414 has been upgraded many times and many countries are using it to power their 4th gen and 5th gen jets.

Still its a 4th gen engine.

 

[beencensured]

India should go for GE. The french are not good when it comes to value for money. And India needs to strenghten partnership with america to counter China. Macron recently visited China and repeated Chinese talking points. Also, GE is developing adaptive cycle engines for NGAD, I know it is a long shot, but chances will be greater that India gets few scraps from that technology, in 15 years or so if India chooses america and GE.
Also 414 deal has very high level of ToT, which shows how keen americans are to deepen partnership with India.

Dreaming of some one to hold hands while not allowing any chance of success as not giving proper facilities like a flying test bed seeing trillions of dollars losses to economy as highly talented people leave the country causing poverty in India

 

[Akshat]

India has already made a deal with France and Safran to develop a brand new 5th generation jet engine to power the AMCA MK2. With this engine it will teach India on how to design and develop a advanced engine which gives us 100% of the technology, allow to make 100% of it in India and can freely sell to whoever without needing permission

At the start India will use the GE F414 engine for the first 1-2 squadrons which will give enough time to develop the new engine with France.

Not sure how all this is relevant to my comment. My point is that GTRE is the partner from Indian side. So all the tech gained will be lost as they are good for nothing.

 

[Dagger]

Let me tell you, what we will get is 4th gen engine which is existing from 1980s, thats what we will get, and nobody will give us technology above that either of 5th gen or 6th gen no matter how much money we throw. We dont have our basics right in engine technology or testbed. Thats the gap we want to bridge and thats how much behind we are. Now america doesnt share these with anybody except probably Britain. They will armtwist at slightest hint of our opposition. France even if they offer less technologically engine with full ipr for money its better to deal with them.

GE is offering india the F414-GE-INS6 variant. It has more thrust than any of its previous versions. Also remember even the KAI KF-21 is getting the same engine so yet another country with 5th gen jet aspirations are trusting this engine

 

[Dagger]

Still its a 4th gen engine.

it was, the original GE-414 was a 4th gen. Not the variant they are proposing for India.

 

[Dagger]

LMAO AFAIK US didn't even share anything from it's Aero jet engine from UK.... US would rather buy license or the whole technology from you than sharing it😹😹😹

US agreed on 90% transfer of technology of GE-414 I think

 

[Dagger]

Fresh out of college grads gonna make one of the most complex piece of technology ever known to mankind? This is an intersection of various disciplines coming together. A fine tuned jet engine is an engineering Marvel which requires tonnes of domain experience even for the finest engineers. Stop idolising iits like those coaching institutewallahs.

People just overhype the IIT sector way too much. Even highly qualified organizations like ISRO and DRDO do not have IIT students much. At the end of the day, every student that completes B.Tech reads the same topics, there isnt a huge lot of difference. IIT is good because it offers great packages thats all

 

[alpha numeric]

Still its a 4th gen engine.

We don't even have our own 4th gen engine. The sheer level of unearned entitlement. F22 Raptor's engine was also built in th last century. The Chinese are using engine derived from Russians. To learn to run you must first learn to stand on your own two feet, winning marathons is a concern for the future that comes after learning to walk.

 

[Taus Melek]

What nonsense! Turkey and South Korea have only developed their jet faster than us is because they use a lot of the technology and parts from the USA and NATO allies. India are developing everything by ourselves without making off the shelf purchases which takes a bit longer but it's better. We can't learn how to design and develop new technology by just making expensive imports as we have to go through the learning cycle.

Why reinvent the wheel when you can buy it off the shelf

 

[Pad UwU]

US agreed on 90% transfer of technology of GE-414 I think

Read my comment again... Before replying 😺🙃🤭