UAE's EDGE Group Proposes Local Production of AL TARIQ Smart Weapons in India

EDGE Group, a leading UAE-based technology and defense company, has expressed its interest in collaborating with India on the production of its AL TARIQ smart weapons. This move signifies a potential boost to India’s indigenous defense capabilities.

EDGE Group’s Managing Director & CEO, Hamad Al Marar, has proposed the transfer of AL TARIQ technology to India, enabling local production by Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL). This collaboration could lead to significant benefits for both countries.

Furthermore, EDGE Group and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), the manufacturer of India’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, have already initiated a joint program to integrate AL TARIQ with the Tejas. This collaboration highlights the potential for a comprehensive partnership between the two companies.

The ongoing integration efforts aim for completion later this year. A successful integration would pave the way for demonstrations to the Indian Air Force (IAF), showcasing the advantages of the AL TARIQ weapon system and potentially leading to its adoption by the IAF.

 

[Anton Sokolov]

Why does BDL can not make different varients of SAAW and tie up with DRDO for various precision guided weapons ? While Hanwa Defense , Turkey's Rookestan are moving away from joint development to indigenous production; Indian Defense Industry (missiles,bombs) moving away from Indigenous development/production to Joint development. Now half or more than that of the revenue will be going to foreign country in each order. With that revenue amount, they will carry out their R&D and increase their portfolio. It is a matter of shame. Recently, India bought LORA and RAMPAGE while DRDO has the capability to indigenously develop such similar system and export them without sharing any revenue to anyone. Also, why does any third country import these equipments from India ? They could buy them directly from the original equipment manufacturer, isn't? All countries want to have indigenous capacity to build these kind of weaponry. Israel has used India to boost its weapons and exported the same to Phillipines and Vietnam. Akash won't be exported to Vietnam now as they are acquiring Barak 8 ; while Phillipines already bought spider airdefense system from Israel along with ATHOS and ATMOS.
It is even shameful to think that India after 77 years of independence, have to buy precision guided weaponry from UAE. And it is celebrated in Defense platforms. Defense Industry Babus who allocated tiny amount to R&D should directly shut down DRDO rather than killing it slowly for warming their pocket.
The cycle ->
Tiny allocation to R&D -> Trials upon trials till the system become obsolete (deal in private with foreigners Babus are smart) -> small procurement (so that per unit cost increase) -> Tender game (even if 1 rupee is less, cancel the indigenous product)
I wonder why does French army not organized this tendering game to procure their fighter jets. Probably because their babus gave them no option other than to buy indigenous Rafale.

 

[sanket]

DRDO should devlops it dont rely on Foreign weapon.If we are going to develop Aero-Engine of kaveri derivative for Tejas MK1A then why not this type of weapons.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Why does BDL can not make different varients of SAAW and tie up with DRDO for various precision guided weapons ? While Hanwa Defense , Turkey's Rookestan are moving away from joint development to indigenous production; Indian Defense Industry (missiles,bombs) moving away from Indigenous development/production to Joint development. Now half or more than that of the revenue will be going to foreign country in each order. With that revenue amount, they will carry out their R&D and increase their portfolio. It is a matter of shame. Recently, India bought LORA and RAMPAGE while DRDO has the capability to indigenously develop such similar system and export them without sharing any revenue to anyone. Also, why does any third country import these equipments from India ? They could buy them directly from the original equipment manufacturer, isn't? All countries want to have indigenous capacity to build these kind of weaponry. Israel has used India to boost its weapons and exported the same to Phillipines and Vietnam. Akash won't be exported to Vietnam now as they are acquiring Barak 8 ; while Phillipines already bought spider airdefense system from Israel along with ATHOS and ATMOS.
It is even shameful to think that India after 77 years of independence, have to buy precision guided weaponry from UAE. And it is celebrated in Defense platforms. Defense Industry Babus who allocated tiny amount to R&D should directly shut down DRDO rather than killing it slowly for warming their pocket.
The cycle ->
Tiny allocation to R&D -> Trials upon trials till the system become obsolete (deal in private with foreigners Babus are smart) -> small procurement (so that per unit cost increase) -> Tender game (even if 1 rupee is less, cancel the indigenous product)
I wonder why does French army not organized this tendering game to procure their fighter jets. Probably because their babus gave them no option other than to buy indigenous Rafale.

I feel your hurt, but situation has changed. Domestic R&D spending has increased a lot. Recently solar industries unvield 125kg bomb, and it is building heavier bombs.

What you said about India buying rampage etc, is because domestic missiles and bombs of that category are not ready for induction yet. So they are meant to serve immediate need if fighting break out tomorrow.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

If UAE buys tejas, or agrees for local manufacture deal then We can integrate al taariq for them to use.

 

[PARTHAJIT JANA]

So, we are getting weapons from an uae group who will support us in indo-pak war if happens? What do you guys think?Are Indian planners stupid?

 

[Amit Ray]

I don't understand what's the hue and cry is all about, they have proposed to produce these AL TARIQ smart weapons through Bharat Dynamics with TOT. The same to be integrated with Tejas and to be demonstrated before IAF.

 

[Amit Ray]

So, we are getting weapons from an uae group who will support us in indo-pak war if happens? What do you guys think?Are Indian planners stupid?

We are not getting but we are producing thru Bharat Dynamics with TOT. There's is lot of difference.

 

[Amit Ray]

HAL and Bharat Dynamics had already entered into agreement with Edge group in 2023. It's a geo political move, recall I2U2, with UAE coming closer there are lot of joint ventures and lot of options are being explored for working together that also includes transit route to Europe from India.

 

[Akshat]

Why does BDL can not make different varients of SAAW and tie up with DRDO for various precision guided weapons ? While Hanwa Defense , Turkey's Rookestan are moving away from joint development to indigenous production; Indian Defense Industry (missiles,bombs) moving away from Indigenous development/production to Joint development. Now half or more than that of the revenue will be going to foreign country in each order. With that revenue amount, they will carry out their R&D and increase their portfolio. It is a matter of shame. Recently, India bought LORA and RAMPAGE while DRDO has the capability to indigenously develop such similar system and export them without sharing any revenue to anyone. Also, why does any third country import these equipments from India ? They could buy them directly from the original equipment manufacturer, isn't? All countries want to have indigenous capacity to build these kind of weaponry. Israel has used India to boost its weapons and exported the same to Phillipines and Vietnam. Akash won't be exported to Vietnam now as they are acquiring Barak 8 ; while Phillipines already bought spider airdefense system from Israel along with ATHOS and ATMOS.
It is even shameful to think that India after 77 years of independence, have to buy precision guided weaponry from UAE. And it is celebrated in Defense platforms. Defense Industry Babus who allocated tiny amount to R&D should directly shut down DRDO rather than killing it slowly for warming their pocket.
The cycle ->
Tiny allocation to R&D -> Trials upon trials till the system become obsolete (deal in private with foreigners Babus are smart) -> small procurement (so that per unit cost increase) -> Tender game (even if 1 rupee is less, cancel the indigenous product)
I wonder why does French army not organized this tendering game to procure their fighter jets. Probably because their babus gave them no option other than to buy indigenous Rafale.

Problem is, DRDO is not capable of making anything on time. The cycle you mentioned is wrong.

Unlimited budget is given to DRDO. Then they waste decades in the name of R&D. Then they deliver a system that doesn’t meet even the critical requirements and call it cutting edge. Then the armed forces try it and find out the truth. Then MoD forces the armed forces to buy them even at super inflated prices and out DPSUs earn billions and get to keep the jobs of their inefficient staff.

 

[Akshat]

I feel your hurt, but situation has changed. Domestic R&D spending has increased a lot. Recently solar industries unvield 125kg bomb, and it is building heavier bombs.

What you said about India buying rampage etc, is because domestic missiles and bombs of that category are not ready for induction yet. So they are meant to serve immediate need if fighting break out tomorrow.

Oh but spending was never the problem. DRDO always had a blank check when it came to its projects. Literal blank checks. Spend as much as you want just get us the product. And they always failed. Despite getting whatever they asked for. Literally, no amount was too big. But here we are.

 

[Akshat]

DRDO should devlops it dont rely on Foreign weapon.If we are going to develop Aero-Engine of kaveri derivative for Tejas MK1A then why not this type of weapons.

DRDO tried making the aero engine for decades and failed. Kaveri is de@d.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Oh but spending was never the problem. DRDO always had a blank check when it came to its projects. Literal blank checks. Spend as much as you want just get us the product. And they always failed. Despite getting whatever they asked for. Literally, no amount was too big. But here we are.

LoL. I guess the agni 5 ICMB was donated to us by the russians. And you should compare how much DRDO spent on jet engine development to how much the french, american or chinese spend and how much testing infrastructure they have. Our scientists have achieved a remarkable amount given what resources we have.

 

[CCPSmasher]

It should be only when UAE orders more than a Squadron of Tejas. Only then we'll give more market to their products.

 

[Deepak Hegde]

Why does BDL can not make different varients of SAAW and tie up with DRDO for various precision guided weapons ? While Hanwa Defense , Turkey's Rookestan are moving away from joint development to indigenous production; Indian Defense Industry (missiles,bombs) moving away from Indigenous development/production to Joint development. Now half or more than that of the revenue will be going to foreign country in each order. With that revenue amount, they will carry out their R&D and increase their portfolio. It is a matter of shame. Recently, India bought LORA and RAMPAGE while DRDO has the capability to indigenously develop such similar system and export them without sharing any revenue to anyone. Also, why does any third country import these equipments from India ? They could buy them directly from the original equipment manufacturer, isn't? All countries want to have indigenous capacity to build these kind of weaponry. Israel has used India to boost its weapons and exported the same to Phillipines and Vietnam. Akash won't be exported to Vietnam now as they are acquiring Barak 8 ; while Phillipines already bought spider airdefense system from Israel along with ATHOS and ATMOS.
It is even shameful to think that India after 77 years of independence, have to buy precision guided weaponry from UAE. And it is celebrated in Defense platforms. Defense Industry Babus who allocated tiny amount to R&D should directly shut down DRDO rather than killing it slowly for warming their pocket.
The cycle ->
Tiny allocation to R&D -> Trials upon trials till the system become obsolete (deal in private with foreigners Babus are smart) -> small procurement (so that per unit cost increase) -> Tender game (even if 1 rupee is less, cancel the indigenous product)
I wonder why does French army not organized this tendering game to procure their fighter jets. Probably because their babus gave them no option other than to buy indigenous Rafale.

India bought LORA and RAMPAGE for the simple reason that the respective weapons were not ready indigenously. Claiming to have indigenous capability for something is different from delivering it actually. The problem with DRDO and HAL is more hype and low deliverables ! Check your facts. Barak-8 was developed fully and commercially by Israel way ahead of Akash. Customers will always buy what is readily available and has a good track record as they are paying full price. No one will a product which is claimed to be almost ready. France went with Rafale alone rather than the European consortium. Even for Rafale, they were realistic about its capabilities and built it step by step from Mk-1 to Mk-3. French did not go in for tendering as the jets met their requirement at that time and now.

 

[Deepak Hegde]

If UAE buys tejas, or agrees for local manufacture deal then We can integrate al taariq for them to use.

Understand the fact we need the integration of Al-Taariq more than they do !! The integration of Al-Taariq is for offering Tejas for potential gulf customers, not for domestic use!

 

[Deepak Hegde]

It should be only when UAE orders more than a Squadron of Tejas. Only then we'll give more market to their products.

Lol ! UAE is not going to touch Tejas even with a bargepole. Look at their current and planned inventory, before even proposing Tejas ! Understand the fact we need the integration of Al-Taariq more than they do !! The integration of Al-Taariq is for offering Tejas for potential gulf customers, not for domestic use!

 

[Akshat]

LoL. I guess the agni 5 ICMB was donated to us by the russians. And you should compare how much DRDO spent on jet engine development to how much the french, american or chinese spend and how much testing infrastructure they have. Our scientists have achieved a remarkable amount given what resources we have.

Ballistic missiles are the first thing that any nation looking for defense development makes. North Korea has a longer range missile and Pakistan has MRVs before DRDO did.

As for money, they got a blank check. Literally. They asked for 300 crores. They got it. Then they kept asking for more and kept getting it. At last count, they had 2800 crores sanctioned in 2009. ~1900 crores had been spent till then. Out of the 900 crores or so of fresh funds, they could only spend 100 crores over the next 7-8 years.

So they had far more than what they could spend. Mod had given a blank check and the idiots had no idea what to do with it. So comparing with western nations or anyone else is moot. That would only matter if they were starved for funds. Given what they had, they did a sh!tty job. That’s the most polite way to put it. Ideally, every single scientist and engineer who ever touched the project shall be tried for trea$on and their properties and accounts must be seized to recover the money wasted. That’s how bad a job it was .

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Understand the fact we need the integration of Al-Taariq more than they do !! The integration of Al-Taariq is for offering Tejas for potential gulf customers, not for domestic use!

how does integration of UAE weapons on tejas make it more likely for other gulf countries to buy it? If we integrate bangladeshi weapons on a jet, does it make it more likely for nepal, myanmar or pakistan to buy it? Gulf has different countries in it which have their own rivalries and interests. It is not NATO or EU which is much more consolidated

 

[Deepak Hegde]

how does integration of UAE weapons on tejas make it more likely for other gulf countries to buy it? If we integrate bangladeshi weapons on a jet, does it make it more likely for nepal, myanmar or pakistan to buy it? Gulf has different countries in it which have their own rivalries and interests. It is not NATO or EU which is much more consolidated

Look at the reputation of EDGE group in the mid-east ! it one that stands out compared to most others. Why manufacturers of aircraft make it compatible for a variety of ammunition is to increase chances of sale for different customers, who cannot afford NATO or EU standard ammunition. The current targets for Tejas sa'e will never be NATO or European countries but more of African, Latam and mid east countries. So makes perfect sense to integrate certain ammunition , in addition to Israeli and UK weapons!